Disney World Annual Passes for sale again starting 9/8/21!

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Announcement: https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/passh ... 826210049A

Disney World Passholder Page: https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/passh ... 826210048A

Existing Passholder Page: https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/passh ... ssholders/

4 new tiers:

Disney Pixie Dust Pass (Florida Residents ONLY, Replacement for the Weekday Select Pass) - $399 / $339 (renewal) - 8.13% increase over early 2020 price
Disney Pirate Pass (Florida Residents ONLY, Replacement for the Silver Pass) - $699 / $594 (renewal) - 29.68% increase over early 2020 price
Disney Sorcerer Pass (Florida Residents and DVC Members ONLY, Replacement for the Gold Pass) - $899 / $764 (renewal) - 25.03% increase over early 2020 price
Disney Incredi-Pass (Replacement for the Platinum Pass) - $1299 / $1104 (renewal) - 44.49% increase over Florida Resident early 2020 price / 8.70% increase for all others

Big changes:
1. Incredi-Pass and Sorcerer Pass can now hold up to 5 Park Pass reservations, 4 for Pirate Pass, 3 for Pixie Dust Pass; This increase will also automatically happen for Platinum/Gold/Silver holders on 9/8/21.
2. Photo Pass is no longer included, it is a $99 add on.
3. Water Park and Sports will be an optional add-on rather than a separate type of pass.
4. Some days (read: low demand days) will be marked as "bonus reservations" that will not count against your total.
5. A new Integrated calendar will be launching that will allow you to make/modify/cancel a park pass reservation and see availability at the same time.

[AnimalKingdomFan79]

The comments from current APs are not that great... an increase plus losing the Photo Pass seems a bit harsh imo.
https://www.facebook.com/WaltDisneyWorl ... 0451173274

[WisconsinDisneyDad]

Taking stuff away, raising the price, yeah that isn't great. But at the end of the day, it will still save me over a thousand dollars a year on 3 trips, so it's worth it for me. I'll gladly pay the $99 for PhotoPass, instead of $169 per trip

[DLandChris]

An email to current APs was sent and there’s a good discount for renewal. Yes, there isn’t photopass automatically added but sounds like there’s a renewal discount to add that on too.
As both a WDW annual passholder and a Disneyland passholder/key holder the WDW one is not bad. At Disneyland there is no option to add photopass, and we will have to pay $20 per trip to the park for it. Plus the top WDW pass is a little less than the Disneyland top key, and it’s 4 parks with the too WDW.

[Liquid Ice]

Considering the Genie+ announcement, it is just more and more bad news for Disney World customers. While Magic Key was not as big of a blow as some had feared, at Disney World we didn't even expect any changes other than the obvious price increase.

This change is actually not that much different than Disney's "re-imagining" of the Disneyland AP program. Disney just decided to grandfather in existing APs for now and then force them to change when it comes time for renewal.

All told with Genie+ and the AP increase plus $99 PhotoPass (it might be a little less for renewal, but my guess is it is $10-20 off) - I'm spending over $1500 more a year if I take 2x 7 day trips to Disney World and opt in to buy Genie+ everyday for my family of 4.

It will definitely be interesting to see if Disney can sustain the demand for the parks with all of these major price hikes. Yes there was a pandemic, but most people are not coming out of the pandemic with more money than before - or not significantly enough that they can handle 20%+ price hikes.

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Someone did this calculation in a DVC Group I'm in on Facebook ... this isn't an unfair comparison imho (let me know if you disagree) - the total price is 70% greater than the price in 2019.

Can anyone defend Disney raising prices by 70%???

This is very similar to what my family does - 2x 7 day trips a year and that price has gone up 70%. Wow.

Sure you can forego the Magic Bands, that is still a 64% increase.

[DLandChris]

Where it might not have been a 70% price increase last year, because of covid there was about a year (I think less than as there might have been an increase early 2020) without any price increase. So I’ve been seeing it as a two year price increase.
Not saying that’s nice or good of Disney but on par with increases they’ve done before.

[jm1670]

Disney is really pushing things a bit much but this is not as bad as I had feared. I've always had the Platinum pass so this is a really small increase for me personally. The ones getting screwed here are the DVC members. I was considering becoming a DVC member until this month but that's gone now. Disney really has a hostile relationship with it's customer base right now and I don't understand it.

I am also really fed up with Disney complaining about how they are losing money on passholders. Exactly how are you losing money on us? We pay a grand up front and many times that on rooms and merchandise through out the year. What is the argument that Disney is losing money on us? Is there a cost that Disney incurs for renting a room to us instead of a traditional guest? A typical DVC or AP member stays on Disney property and eats at Disney restaurants. A typical regular guest stays at a Holiday Inn and spends a day or two at Disney and the rest at Universal. Again show me where you are losing money.

I was back in the parks as soon as they reopened. I made several trips there and stayed on property every time. I would easily guess that 90% of the people in the parks at the time were passholders and not single ticket buyers. Disney needs to stop being resentful towards it's main customer base and understand that without AP and DVC members they would be in foreclosure right now. In the middle of a financial crisis the APs saved Disney's backside, and they don't even appreciate it.

Also I don't think it's even close to who spends more money during the year. A typical AP holder probably spends $20 for every dollar that a traditional guest would spend.

[Liquid Ice]

Disney is really pushing things a bit much but this is not as bad as I had feared. I've always had the Platinum pass so this is a really small increase for me personally. The ones getting screwed here are the DVC members. I was considering becoming a DVC member until this month but that's gone now. Disney really has a hostile relationship with it's customer base right now and I don't understand it.

I am also really fed up with Disney complaining about how they are losing money on passholders. Exactly how are you losing money on us? We pay a grand up front and many times that on rooms and merchandise through out the year. What is the argument that Disney is losing money on us? Is there a cost that Disney incurs for renting a room to us instead of a traditional guest? A typical DVC or AP member stays on Disney property and eats at Disney restaurants. A typical regular guest stays at a Holiday Inn and spends a day or two at Disney and the rest at Universal. Again show me where you are losing money.

I was back in the parks as soon as they reopened. I made several trips there and stayed on property every time. I would easily guess that 90% of the people in the parks at the time were passholders and not single ticket buyers. Disney needs to stop being resentful towards it's main customer base and understand that without AP and DVC members they would be in foreclosure right now. In the middle of a financial crisis the APs saved Disney's backside, and they don't even appreciate it.

Also I don't think it's even close to who spends more money during the year. A typical AP holder probably spends $20 for every dollar that a traditional guest would spend.

What they're really saying is locals who buy the cheaper APs and don't need to stay in a hotel or eat the food on site are worth less per day than a once in a lifetime guest who will pay for the most expensive restaurants to try to "do it all" on their trip. Some APs just come in, ride the rides and then leave. This is typically more of a problem for DLR than WDW, but what doesn't make sense is the price hike is largest at WDW and not DLR.

But, I'm not sure if Disney realizes - I'm not going to actually spend 70% more at Disney, what I'm going to do instead is cut back on the profit makers for Disney - the merchandise, the food, etc. I'm going to start eating at QS restaurants for lunch and going offsite for dinner, maybe eat once in the parks to see the fireworks or just come back and see the fireworks.

You're right though, the out of state Platinum price hike is only 8% over the 2019 prices which seems reasonable. Because there is no longer a Florida Resident or DVC discount for the Platinum pass, it is over 44% higher for them or "only" 25% if you get the Sorcerer pass.

If Disney truly doesn't like the locals - hence the larger price increase for them, it would have been nice if they created a separate pricing tier for DVC members. I suspect Disney thinks at this point we already paid down our thousands of dollars to Disney for DVC and they don't need to worry about keeping us as customers. I wonder if more DVC members stay in the resort but don't spend any money at Disney and go to Universal or just stay in the pool if that might change their mind.

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Based on the earlier increase of 70% for a DVC Member's trip I decided to do a comparison of costs for all of the recent price hikes for APs and non-APs between the 2019 prices and 2021/22 prices. I used June 2019 and June 2022 to compare.

It doesn't include the price for food or merchandise since those can be wildly different and extremely difficult to track the price changes.

For tickets, I assumed you would buy a 7-day park hopper for a 7-day once a year trip. For 2x 7 day trips, it is assumed that it is cheaper to buy the Annual Pass instead. I used UT prices for the 2021/2022 ticket prices but had to use historical average prices for 2019 since the prices are not well documented (I took the highest and lowest price of a 7-day park hopper ticket and averaged it for 2019).

I did assume that you would pay for Genie+ every day of your park trip to emulate what was previously included in FastPass+ and I assumed you would take Mears Connect as the replacement for Magical Express.

I also assumed you'd buy 4 Magicbands, for $9.99 each (previously free) - but the $40 cost here is negligible in the larger scheme of things.

The % increase is calculated between each trip. You can see the change in price is vastly different depending on your situation.

But what it also shows is that ticket prices will likely be going up very soon, they have not seen the same large % increase that a lot of other things have.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

[WisconsinDisneyDad]

Disney is really pushing things a bit much but this is not as bad as I had feared. I've always had the Platinum pass so this is a really small increase for me personally. The ones getting screwed here are the DVC members. I was considering becoming a DVC member until this month but that's gone now. Disney really has a hostile relationship with it's customer base right now and I don't understand it.

I am also really fed up with Disney complaining about how they are losing money on passholders. Exactly how are you losing money on us? We pay a grand up front and many times that on rooms and merchandise through out the year. What is the argument that Disney is losing money on us? Is there a cost that Disney incurs for renting a room to us instead of a traditional guest? A typical DVC or AP member stays on Disney property and eats at Disney restaurants. A typical regular guest stays at a Holiday Inn and spends a day or two at Disney and the rest at Universal. Again show me where you are losing money.

I was back in the parks as soon as they reopened. I made several trips there and stayed on property every time. I would easily guess that 90% of the people in the parks at the time were passholders and not single ticket buyers. Disney needs to stop being resentful towards it's main customer base and understand that without AP and DVC members they would be in foreclosure right now. In the middle of a financial crisis the APs saved Disney's backside, and they don't even appreciate it.

Also I don't think it's even close to who spends more money during the year. A typical AP holder probably spends $20 for every dollar that a traditional guest would spend.

This is a pretty archaic look. Disney tracks every single thing that every single person does. They know who spends money on what and where. It's a calculated moved. And during 2020, I was there with "single" tickets for over 15 days, plus in the hotels and buying food. Not sure I talked to anyone on 3 trips that was an AP. Disney knows that. The only gripe I see is for DVC members. The rest, the price really didn't go up that much. I'm gladly buying 3 Incredi-passes next week.

[CH-GenX]

A little bit at a time they have rolled these increases out and I'm disappointed. I'm especially disappointed in them as a company for not bringing back the Entertainers let go under the excuse of Covid.

Love the Parks...hate the company. I have a December trip planned and paid for-and I don't see myself coming back in 2022. I did buy Universal annual passes back in June-while not my favorite my kids loved it and they'll be just as happy there as they would at Disney.

My bank account will be happier too-

[CH-GenX]

Disney is really pushing things a bit much but this is not as bad as I had feared. I've always had the Platinum pass so this is a really small increase for me personally. The ones getting screwed here are the DVC members. I was considering becoming a DVC member until this month but that's gone now. Disney really has a hostile relationship with it's customer base right now and I don't understand it.

I am also really fed up with Disney complaining about how they are losing money on passholders. Exactly how are you losing money on us? We pay a grand up front and many times that on rooms and merchandise through out the year. What is the argument that Disney is losing money on us? Is there a cost that Disney incurs for renting a room to us instead of a traditional guest? A typical DVC or AP member stays on Disney property and eats at Disney restaurants. A typical regular guest stays at a Holiday Inn and spends a day or two at Disney and the rest at Universal. Again show me where you are losing money.

I was back in the parks as soon as they reopened. I made several trips there and stayed on property every time. I would easily guess that 90% of the people in the parks at the time were passholders and not single ticket buyers. Disney needs to stop being resentful towards it's main customer base and understand that without AP and DVC members they would be in foreclosure right now. In the middle of a financial crisis the APs saved Disney's backside, and they don't even appreciate it.

Also I don't think it's even close to who spends more money during the year. A typical AP holder probably spends $20 for every dollar that a traditional guest would spend.

This is a pretty archaic look. Disney tracks every single thing that every single person does. They know who spends money on what and where. It's a calculated moved. And during 2020, I was there with "single" tickets for over 15 days, plus in the hotels and buying food. Not sure I talked to anyone on 3 trips that was an AP. Disney knows that. The only gripe I see is for DVC members. The rest, the price really didn't go up that much. I'm gladly buying 3 Incredi-passes next week.

So for my family-we would start making out on annual passes on our 11th day of usage. Now-with my quick mental math I think it would start to make sense on our 15th day of usage-We have never gone more than 21 days at WDW in a year-and that has only been twice.

Ok in and of itself not a huge deal for me for the change in annual pass but it's not isolated in how they are raising the price, now upcharges that used to be included in adminssion or resort stay. Couuple that with the fact that they used Covid as an excuse to do many of these things. According to this source Disneyland has brought back 1/2 of the 32k employees that were let go: https://www.ocregister.com/2021/06/23/d ... d-to-work/

Ears-39.99
Light Saber-120.00



It's also how they gaslight the changes-make it seem like guests have asked for these things. check out this video Tom says it best https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPMK30BELQo&t=35s

I love his take on Rise of the Resistance-and I think it is purposeful to limit folks on attractions so they are more likely to buy the upcharge so they aren't disappointed.



One good thing though is they have started to put limits on merch so resellers have to work a little harder to ebay stuff.


They know people have been in quarantine, not feeling safe to travel-and that's changing. People are ready to get out and Disney is putting pricing in place to take adavantage of that.

Hate the company....Love the parks.

I type most of my posts on my phone so I apologize for typos ect. fat hands and fingers

[jm1670]

Disney is really pushing things a bit much but this is not as bad as I had feared. I've always had the Platinum pass so this is a really small increase for me personally. The ones getting screwed here are the DVC members. I was considering becoming a DVC member until this month but that's gone now. Disney really has a hostile relationship with it's customer base right now and I don't understand it.

I am also really fed up with Disney complaining about how they are losing money on passholders. Exactly how are you losing money on us? We pay a grand up front and many times that on rooms and merchandise through out the year. What is the argument that Disney is losing money on us? Is there a cost that Disney incurs for renting a room to us instead of a traditional guest? A typical DVC or AP member stays on Disney property and eats at Disney restaurants. A typical regular guest stays at a Holiday Inn and spends a day or two at Disney and the rest at Universal. Again show me where you are losing money.

I was back in the parks as soon as they reopened. I made several trips there and stayed on property every time. I would easily guess that 90% of the people in the parks at the time were passholders and not single ticket buyers. Disney needs to stop being resentful towards it's main customer base and understand that without AP and DVC members they would be in foreclosure right now. In the middle of a financial crisis the APs saved Disney's backside, and they don't even appreciate it.

Also I don't think it's even close to who spends more money during the year. A typical AP holder probably spends $20 for every dollar that a traditional guest would spend.

This is a pretty archaic look. Disney tracks every single thing that every single person does. They know who spends money on what and where. It's a calculated moved. And during 2020, I was there with "single" tickets for over 15 days, plus in the hotels and buying food. Not sure I talked to anyone on 3 trips that was an AP. Disney knows that. The only gripe I see is for DVC members. The rest, the price really didn't go up that much. I'm gladly buying 3 Incredi-passes next week.

Pretty hard to believe that on 3 trips you didn't talk to anyone that was an AP. That's like going to Yankee Stadium and saying no one there was from New York. The passholder merchandise flew off the shelves and passholders had the hardest time getting dates blocked out for park reservations. Either way the point is moot because that still shows that Disney isn't losing money on APs. If APs aren't showing up then Disney is selling $1000 passes to people that aren't taxing the system at all.

The increase on the top AP is not that bad and totally in line with what a reasonable increase should be. The problem is that they are taking services and features away as well as implementing this new pay per ride system.

[CH-GenX]

What until the roll out the "re-imagined" dining plan-and places like space 220 will not only be two dining credits but there will be an upcharge to it also.

And they are doing all of this right before the 50th-and you know people are going to hit those genie+ upgrades during those first crowds in October.